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Location: TEXAS | Why are halter bred horses not used in the performance pens?
Edited by slacy09 2018-10-12 6:06 PM
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| Because the modern day halter horse has had the legs bred off of them. They tend to be very post legged in the back and can’t hardly move. They’ve become too specialized to do much of anything other than look pretty.
While some of the older halter lines are still used, they’ve gone more towards being crossed on pleasure bred horses.
Barrel racers want run crossed with cow and old time ranch breds like Sunfrost. |
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Location: TEXAS | SKM - 2018-10-12 6:50 PM Because the modern day halter horse has had the legs bred off of them. They tend to be very post legged in the back and can’t hardly move. They’ve become too specialized to do much of anything other than look pretty. While some of the older halter lines are still used, they’ve gone more towards being crossed on pleasure bred horses. Barrel racers want run crossed with cow and old time ranch breds like Sunfrost.
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Location: TEXAS | So can the old time halter lines compete with the new ones? |
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| slacy09 - 2018-10-12 9:14 PM
So can the old time halter lines compete with the new ones?
Not really. That’s why AQHA added Performance Halter. The number one criteria when judging halter now is balance, followed by breed and sex charteristics, then way of going. Legs really aren’t even considered. They want a big square hip that you can draw a box around. They want a 2:1 ratio (length of back can fit twice into the underline length). They want a 2:1 neck ratio (underside of neck can fit twice onto the top of the neck). A long, sloping shoulder. Mares need to be feminine. Studs need to look like studs. They want heavy muscling in the forearm and gaskin with a deep vee in the chest when viewed from the front. Legs really don’t matter one iota. Focus is on the body. The body has been bred up while the legs aren’t considered now.
Even a great like Impressive probably wouldn’t place by today’s standards. But that’s the same with any event for the most part. The way of going now isn’t even close to the same as it was in the past. The only thing that hasn’t changed is speed events. Even the roping is vastly different. |
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| Or maybe I should say that halter points can always be bought if needed. That’s a direct quote from a friend that’s a world renowned trainer. |
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Location: Texas | Because their extreme conformation usually lends them not athletic enough to be a riding horse. The "good" halter horses at least. There's plenty of horses who have halter blood in them to an extent but don't have the phenotype that goes along with it.. and those would probably be OK. But so many of them are bred to be straight in the back end and post legged, and so muscle bound they can't move fast. Not to mention their front feet a lot of times give them serious issues. A friend of mine had a halter gelding blow a suspensory jogging in hand at a show. jogging.in.hand.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | because they look like this
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | current day halter horses are basically a no go.
Lucky for me way back in 2008 I picked up a mare by this awesome all around stud Huckleberry Bart.
My mare Fancie That Chrome was a super nice 2D jackpot horse that I simply adored.
After being retired from Injury Ive bred her to mostly all race bred sons (Dash for perks, Dash ta Fame, and this year Jesses double Dee)
I personally coundt have asked for a better mare and her babies constantly impress the heck out of me.
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Location: TEXAS | casualdust07 - 2018-10-14 10:50 AM Because their extreme conformation usually lends them not athletic enough to be a riding horse. The "good" halter horses at least. There's plenty of horses who have halter blood in them to an extent but don't have the phenotype that goes along with it.. and those would probably be OK. But so many of them are bred to be straight in the back end and post legged, and so muscle bound they can't move fast. Not to mention their front feet a lot of times give them serious issues. A friend of mine had a halter gelding blow a suspensory jogging in hand at a show. jogging.in.hand.
Wow that's crazy!! |
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Location: TEXAS | Fancie_That_Chrome_ - 2018-10-14 8:55 PM
current day halter horses are basically a no go.
Lucky for me way back in 2008 I picked up a mare by this awesome all around stud Huckleberry Bart.
My mare Fancie That Chrome was a super nice 2D jackpot horse that I simply adored.
After being retired from Injury Ive bred her to mostly all race bred sons (Dash for perks, Dash ta Fame, and this year Jesses double Dee)
I personally coundt have asked for a better mare and her babies constantly impress the heck out of me.
Sooo pretty! |
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Location: Desert Land | And on top of what's been said already...they have been so inbred a lot of them are ding dongs. I speak from experience - I used to triain, haul, compete with them. |
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Location: Illinois | My first barrel horse when I was 12 was heavily halter bred. He had fine boned legs and a bulky body, but conformation wise they were at the right angles. He lasted a year before he tore his superficial halfway through in the left rear loping on a trail ride. He was 11 at the time. He's now 25 and has torn the back right superficial similarly the same & same spot and torn 2 ligaments in the front legs and he did those as a walk/light trot only horse and one ligament was torn in pasture. When I was 12 I didn't know any better and my parents had never been around horses. Had I known better I wouldn't have used him for that. There's no way he would have held up to any significant performance type career. I did a couple 12.5 mile endurance rides with him as just fun, but we did a lot of walking too. He came back after the first tear to make a few runs & we jumped some low cross rails for awhile, but then I got another horse and my focus shifted so he went on the back burner and has stayed there. He's pasture sound right now though, other than thin soled feet making him sore. But yeah, halter horses just aren't designed to hold up to the stress and impact of performance, and for some even carrying a rider is a tricky task. |
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