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| Hi All, I always log back on too late after I post a question and before I know it, too much time has passed to continue my conversations with you all. I sincerely apologize for that.
Anyhow, I have a quick question... does anyone know how to obtain papers on a horse they know is registered, but which seem to be lost in outer space? I have a mare who was given to me by an old employer; he has bred All American winners and even Kentucky Derby qualifiers over the course of his lifespan, but he is a well known hermit and uses his wealth to avoid the limelight. (Some might guess who I’m talking about!) Anyhow, he gave me a mare about 6 years ago as she was difficult but she and I have a bond and he knew I was aspiring to get into the racing industry. Unfortunately, I lost contact with him. My mare’s full sisters have sold at Heritage as sale toppers for over $250K. I love this mare and have her spoiled rotten, but I would like to breed her to try to get her settled a bit. She’s smart as a whip, but still very hot which is largely due to her breeding. She also has an affinity for foals out of our other mares and I feel sorry for her. I’ve attempted to reach out to old contacts who I thought would have the breeder’s info, but from what I understand he’s pulling away from horses and spends his time traveling and resides in NY.
I contacted AQHA and ordered a DNA verification test, but they think I’m trying to order for a TB as I have to write in TBD on the form for the name. Twice now they’ve referred me to the Jockey’s Club and returned my money saying they could not issue a test without first knowing her registration name. I know my mare is out of MJP and DNA typed so I’m not sure how to go about this. Any thoughts or advice?! I’d greatly appreciate any help.
I hope everyone has a safe and Merry Christmas!
Edited by heartswideopen 2018-12-22 12:16 PM
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | AQHA can't do investigative DNA tests. You have to list the sire and dam, so they can confirm it. The only way to get papers is from the last person who owned her to file for lost papers for you. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If your old employer was the one that gave her to you then she must still be registered under his name.. What is the mares register name? |
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| Thanks. I can’t reach the breeder and don’t know the name of the mare. She was stepped on by her dam as a foal and fractured a sesamoid. It was surgically repaired, but she never raced and wouldn’t stand for flushing. I just know what I was told by the attending veterinarian who did the transfers and repro at the farm. I was 19 and doing a veterinary internship. When given the chance to take home a mare I loved for her personality, I jumped and didn’t think about papers. I know she’s MJP, but don’t have any details about her bottom side other than the sale info on her sisters. The only other idea we’ve had is to call Heritage and ask about the past sale toppers owned by the breeder and out of MJP as that would help us with the dam’s registration name. The veterinarian knows, I’m sure, but we’ve had our reasons for not wanting to contact him. He’s our last resort, but I’ll call if that’s what it comes to. Just hoped someone on the internet would have some better ideas. I appreciate the response.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So the mare was registered? How long have you had her? Something like this I think is a lost cause unless you know the registered number or name of the mare and who the breeder is, if you knew his name and the mares name then you could call AQHA and see if they can track the last owner down.. But really that would almost be impossible with out information about owner or names or numbers.. But I wish you good luck.. Merry Christmas to you too..
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | heartswideopen - 2018-12-22 1:55 PM Thanks. I can’t reach the breeder and don’t know the name of the mare. She was stepped on by her dam as a foal and fractured a sesamoid. It was surgically repaired, but she never raced and wouldn’t stand for flushing. I just know what I was told by the attending veterinarian who did the transfers and repro at the farm. I was 19 and doing a veterinary internship. When given the chance to take home a mare I loved for her personality, I jumped and didn’t think about papers. I know she’s MJP, but don’t have any details about her bottom side other than the sale info on her sisters. The only other idea we’ve had is to call Heritage and ask about the past sale toppers owned by the breeder and out of MJP as that would help us with the dam’s registration name. The veterinarian knows, I’m sure, but we’ve had our reasons for not wanting to contact him. He’s our last resort, but I’ll call if that’s what it comes to. Just hoped someone on the internet would have some better ideas. I appreciate the response.
Heritage has all their catalogues online with results and you can look by consignor. |
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| bccanchaser16 - 2018-12-23 12:50 AM
heartswideopen - 2018-12-22 1:55 PM Thanks. I can’t reach the breeder and don’t know the name of the mare. She was stepped on by her dam as a foal and fractured a sesamoid. It was surgically repaired, but she never raced and wouldn’t stand for flushing. I just know what I was told by the attending veterinarian who did the transfers and repro at the farm. I was 19 and doing a veterinary internship. When given the chance to take home a mare I loved for her personality, I jumped and didn’t think about papers. I know she’s MJP, but don’t have any details about her bottom side other than the sale info on her sisters. The only other idea we’ve had is to call Heritage and ask about the past sale toppers owned by the breeder and out of MJP as that would help us with the dam’s registration name. The veterinarian knows, I’m sure, but we’ve had our reasons for not wanting to contact him. He’s our last resort, but I’ll call if that’s what it comes to. Just hoped someone on the internet would have some better ideas. I appreciate the response.
Heritage has all their catalogues online with results and you can look by consignor.
If you could find the full sister so you knew sire and dam, you could search AQHA online records for the dam’s breeding report. That should lead you to yours unless you don’t know how old she is for sure or there were multiple embryos by the same stud in the same year or something of that nature.
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| What about looking at the sire on allbreededigree and checking out his progeny reports. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | If you know her sire and dam's name and the year she was born, you can then track down who she might be. If she's is one of several foals born in that year with the same parentage, you can then find out the history and produce records of her siblings from the same year to narrow it down. BUT without the permission of the owner of record, you will not be able to get papers or even parentage verification on her. You would need a transfer and a completed form for a duplicate registration certificate to go further. |
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| If the horse was DNA tested when registered you have a chance. You can send in hair to UC Davis. they will do a DNA panel and send it back to you. About $40. Once you have that, you can submit it to AQHA and have them run it against their database. $150. It has to be an exact match though. They can't tell you the sire or dam. |
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