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| I paid $25 last week for a session.
My horse wasnt too fond of the mask on his nose, he kept throwing his head around.
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| How do they make it safe to share between horses?Is there a way to safely sanitize it? I was curious about trying it but being in Colorado with VS so bad it made me nervous.
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Location: In my own little world | PalominoLuvr2241 - 2015-08-31 2:43 PM How do they make it safe to share between horses?Is there a way to safely sanitize it? I was curious about trying it but being in Colorado with VS so bad it made me nervous.
PalominoLvr that is exactly the concern more people should have. You couldn't get me to use one that has been used on a horse other than one of mine for nothing. I hope people who are being paid to treat horses have really good insurance. I really think you are going to see some of the vets rally with their state veterinary medical boards that nebulizer treatments should be administered by a certified vet only unless it is for personal use. I could be way off base but I see things headed that way especially with all the disease issues we have. Don't share a bucket of water, don't share a breathing apparatus. |
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Location: texas | i pay 25 bucks per session the machines are around $800. and omg yes a total difference with one treatment. my horse ran faster and had a bigger stride as well! its MOST DEFF worth the investment and you could easilyget your money back by offering sessions |
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| ropenrun - 2015-08-31 5:14 PM PalominoLuvr2241 - 2015-08-31 2:43 PM How do they make it safe to share between horses?Is there a way to safely sanitize it? I was curious about trying it but being in Colorado with VS so bad it made me nervous. PalominoLvr that is exactly the concern more people should have. You couldn't get me to use one that has been used on a horse other than one of mine for nothing. I hope people who are being paid to treat horses have really good insurance. I really think you are going to see some of the vets rally with their state veterinary medical boards that nebulizer treatments should be administered by a certified vet only unless it is for personal use. I could be way off base but I see things headed that way especially with all the disease issues we have. Don't share a bucket of water, don't share a breathing apparatus.
Now you brought up some good points. If I offered sessions to others I would def clean the mask between each horse. Also, I would make it my priority to learn as much about the system as possible to be able to safely and effictively admister treatments. I wouldnt want anyone treating my horse that didnt know what they were doing. Im glad you brought that up, I had not thought about that yet. |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | You disinfect it between horses. I have one and love love love it! It has done wonders for a bleeder and one with allergies. |
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Location: NE Texas | It has been used on my horse while out of my care, but I will NEVER use one of these, nor will it ever be used on any of my horses if I have any say so whatsoever. |
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| Herbie - 2015-09-01 10:05 AM
It has been used on my horse while out of my care, but I will NEVER use one of these, nor will it ever be used on any of my horses if I have any say so whatsoever.
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| I've heard a lot of people swear by the treatment. Do you use Colloidal Silver? If so, is it safe for horses? Years ago my grandmother used colloidal silver. She swore by it. Then the reports came out that it was dangerous for your health. Human bodies don't need the heavy metal. Are their studies for horses? |
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Location: South Central Florida | I posted this before, I have now had 3 friends with horses that used the nebulizer treatments, come up with major lung infections. One owned the machine herself, one paid for a treatment and the other I can't remember right now. The one that owned her own machine believed she was very VERY careful about cleaning. Her horse was in intensive care with a vet for over 3 weeks. Several times they didn't think he was going to make it.
All three had very otherwise healthy horses. The vets all 3 (all different vets in different areas of Florida) said very likely got from machine. They are not easy to clean and a miscroscopic amount pumped directly into the lungs via this type system can cause major problems.
I also have a friend that has COPD and has had lung problems all her life. She nebulizes daily, but she replaces the tubing constantly.
I can't imagine ever using one that has been used on other horses, and at this point can't really imagine even using one of my own with out replacing everything for every use. I can't imagine that being very cost effective.
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Location: NE Texas | Swannranch - 2015-09-01 12:15 PM I posted this before, I have now had 3 friends with horses that used the nebulizer treatments, come up with major lung infections. One owned the machine herself, one paid for a treatment and the other I can't remember right now. The one that owned her own machine believed she was very VERY careful about cleaning. Her horse was in intensive care with a vet for over 3 weeks. Several times they didn't think he was going to make it.
All three had very otherwise healthy horses. The vets all 3 (all different vets in different areas of Florida) said very likely got from machine. They are not easy to clean and a miscroscopic amount pumped directly into the lungs via this type system can cause major problems.
I also have a friend that has COPD and has had lung problems all her life. She nebulizes daily, but she replaces the tubing constantly.
I can't imagine ever using one that has been used on other horses, and at this point can't really imagine even using one of my own with out replacing everything for every use. I can't imagine that being very cost effective.
^^^That's why. I almost lost my horse earlier this year and had exceeded the treatment options of 4 different vets. These things are not sterile and that spray is just cleaning what is in the mask....IF all areas are wiped down thoroughly. To use a machine like this in an environment that is dusty, moldy, and full of bacteria creates a perfect storm to push bacteria and fungus, not to mention whatever sicknesses and diseases are floating around, down deep into the lungs of our horses.
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| Herbie - 2015-09-01 1:19 PM Swannranch - 2015-09-01 12:15 PM I posted this before, I have now had 3 friends with horses that used the nebulizer treatments, come up with major lung infections. One owned the machine herself, one paid for a treatment and the other I can't remember right now. The one that owned her own machine believed she was very VERY careful about cleaning. Her horse was in intensive care with a vet for over 3 weeks. Several times they didn't think he was going to make it.
All three had very otherwise healthy horses. The vets all 3 (all different vets in different areas of Florida) said very likely got from machine. They are not easy to clean and a miscroscopic amount pumped directly into the lungs via this type system can cause major problems.
I also have a friend that has COPD and has had lung problems all her life. She nebulizes daily, but she replaces the tubing constantly.
I can't imagine ever using one that has been used on other horses, and at this point can't really imagine even using one of my own with out replacing everything for every use. I can't imagine that being very cost effective.
^^^That's why. I almost lost my horse earlier this year and had exceeded the treatment options of 4 different vets. These things are not sterile and that spray is just cleaning what is in the mask....IF all areas are wiped down thoroughly. To use a machine like this in an environment that is dusty, moldy, and full of bacteria creates a perfect storm to push bacteria and fungus, not to mention whatever sicknesses and diseases are floating around, down deep into the lungs of our horses.
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Location: Midwest | Herbie - 2015-09-01 1:19 PM Swannranch - 2015-09-01 12:15 PM I posted this before, I have now had 3 friends with horses that used the nebulizer treatments, come up with major lung infections. One owned the machine herself, one paid for a treatment and the other I can't remember right now. The one that owned her own machine believed she was very VERY careful about cleaning. Her horse was in intensive care with a vet for over 3 weeks. Several times they didn't think he was going to make it.
All three had very otherwise healthy horses. The vets all 3 (all different vets in different areas of Florida) said very likely got from machine. They are not easy to clean and a miscroscopic amount pumped directly into the lungs via this type system can cause major problems.
I also have a friend that has COPD and has had lung problems all her life. She nebulizes daily, but she replaces the tubing constantly.
I can't imagine ever using one that has been used on other horses, and at this point can't really imagine even using one of my own with out replacing everything for every use. I can't imagine that being very cost effective.
^^^That's why. I almost lost my horse earlier this year and had exceeded the treatment options of 4 different vets. These things are not sterile and that spray is just cleaning what is in the mask....IF all areas are wiped down thoroughly. To use a machine like this in an environment that is dusty, moldy, and full of bacteria creates a perfect storm to push bacteria and fungus, not to mention whatever sicknesses and diseases are floating around, down deep into the lungs of our horses.
I could see bacteria or mold growing on the machine's components and causing an issue. Isn't there any sort of filtration system?
Are people really using these without disinfecting the tubing between uses? Letting them sit in the barn? Yikes...
Personally I would NEVER pay for a treatment at a show. Who knows what type of protocol is being used to clean those machines.
I'm really suprised there isn't fitration between the mask and the tubing to prevent contamination. Now I'm off to google schematics on one of these bad boys.... |
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Location: Midwest | So they are charging 700 bucks for the "Pro" package, which includes:
A TC-2000 air compressor (which you buy for 230 bucks on google)
a small plastic mask for a horse
a medicine cup
cheap tubing
a bottle of colloidal silver (which btw is not conclusively proven to do anything positive for human or horse)
a bottle of disinfectant (think lysol or bleach)
a carrying case
That's a pretty good profit margin
I also see filters for sale. I'm not sure where they go on the machine, but it doesn't look like they would filter the air to sterility as the pore size is not noted anywhere... plus it just looks like a sponge and is not packaged in sterile type packaging. Oy
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| Swannranch - 2015-09-01 12:15 PM
I posted this before, I have now had 3 friends with horses that used the nebulizer treatments, come up with major lung infections. One owned the machine herself, one paid for a treatment and the other I can't remember right now. The one that owned her own machine believed she was very VERY careful about cleaning. Her horse was in intensive care with a vet for over 3 weeks. Several times they didn't think he was going to make it.
All three had very otherwise healthy horses. The vets all 3 (all different vets in different areas of Florida) said very likely got from machine. They are not easy to clean and a miscroscopic amount pumped directly into the lungs via this type system can cause major problems.
I also have a friend that has COPD and has had lung problems all her life. She nebulizes daily, but she replaces the tubing constantly.
I can't imagine ever using one that has been used on other horses, and at this point can't really imagine even using one of my own with out replacing everything for every use. I can't imagine that being very cost effective.
This is unpossible.
Colloidal Silver is an fungal, anti bacterial and with the exception of Angel tears the purest thing on earth.
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| Like the theraplate they are the latest gimmick IMO. Can some horses benefit from a nebulizer, yes but I think it needs to be done under supervision of veg, in sterile conditions. Any Joe blow can buy and administer in God only knows what kind of non sterile place without knowledge. There is no way to sterilize between uses by "spraying and wiping off." What about the bacteria on the human hands handling the equipment. They aren't running to the bathroom and scrubbing up between sessions or wearing gloves. It'd be like me running my fingers up and down a needle before sticking it in the vein. |
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Location: South Central Florida | arion - 2015-09-03 4:14 PM
Swannranch - 2015-09-01 12:15 PM
I posted this before, I have now had 3 friends with horses that used the nebulizer treatments, come up with major lung infections. One owned the machine herself, one paid for a treatment and the other I can't remember right now. The one that owned her own machine believed she was very VERY careful about cleaning. Her horse was in intensive care with a vet for over 3 weeks. Several times they didn't think he was going to make it.
All three had very otherwise healthy horses. The vets all 3 (all different vets in different areas of Florida) said very likely got from machine. They are not easy to clean and a miscroscopic amount pumped directly into the lungs via this type system can cause major problems.
I also have a friend that has COPD and has had lung problems all her life. She nebulizes daily, but she replaces the tubing constantly.
I can't imagine ever using one that has been used on other horses, and at this point can't really imagine even using one of my own with out replacing everything for every use. I can't imagine that being very cost effective.
This is unpossible.
Colloidal Silver is an fungal, anti bacterial and with the exception of Angel tears the purest thing on earth.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think nebulizers can be very useful in horses with things like heaves or reactive airway disease. I think just nebulized humidified air alone can probably be helpful in clearing secretions. The nebulizers can be used to deliver medications for reactive airway disease, such as albuterol or ipratropium. Steroids can be nebulized as well, and there are advantages to nebulized steroids versus IV or oral steroids. The main reason is you minimize the undesirable effects of systemic administration.
I'm very skeptical of the real benefit of colloidal silver, simply because it's not a proven therapy in studies. My understanding is the solution is quite dilute, so it probably doesn't do any harm. The question is does it actually have any demonstrable benefit? It might just be a hook to sell the nebulizer.
I'd like to see a double blind study comparing colloidal silver in saline, versus saline alone. It would be very easy to carry out.
As for the infection risks, judging from what I've observed with people injecting horses, many people are either just sloppy or they don't have a clue. People don't bother with alcohol, or hibiclens at the injection site. They inject different horses with the same needles, use poor aseptic technique......and then they blame the subsequent abscess on the drug or vaccine. You can use some basic precautions and safely use nebulizers. |
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| Bear - 2015-09-03 11:00 PM
I think nebulizers can be very useful in horses with things like heaves or reactive airway disease. I think just nebulized humidified air alone can probably be helpful in clearing secretions. The nebulizers can be used to deliver medications for reactive airway disease, such as albuterol or ipratropium. Steroids can be nebulized as well, and there are advantages to nebulized steroids versus IV or oral steroids. The main reason is you minimize the undesirable effects of systemic administration.
I'm very skeptical of the real benefit of colloidal silver, simply because it's not a proven therapy in studies. My understanding is the solution is quite dilute, so it probably doesn't do any harm. The question is does it actually have any demonstrable benefit? It might just be a hook to sell the nebulizer.
I'd like to see a double blind study comparing colloidal silver in saline, versus saline alone. It would be very easy to carry out.
As for the infection risks, judging from what I've observed with people injecting horses, many people are either just sloppy or they don't have a clue. People don't bother with alcohol, or hibiclens at the injection site. They inject different horses with the same needles, use poor aseptic technique......and then they blame the subsequent abscess on the drug or vaccine. You can use some basic precautions and safely use nebulizers.
Thank you!!! I would love to see a study done as well, I have used the Equi-Resp before and absolutely loved the results I saw, I am going to be buying a Silver Horse Care Breathing Machine (cheaper one) because I have a horse with not only heaves but extremely (like, extremely extremely) bad allergies in the summer and I want to do everything I can for her. It will only be used on my horses and because I am so nit-picky it will definitely be cleaned well. Nebulizers have been around forever, they're just being used for the general public more which is why I think they are gaining popularity. |
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Location: Midwest | Bear - 2015-09-03 11:00 PM I think nebulizers can be very useful in horses with things like heaves or reactive airway disease. I think just nebulized humidified air alone can probably be helpful in clearing secretions. The nebulizers can be used to deliver medications for reactive airway disease, such as albuterol or ipratropium. Steroids can be nebulized as well, and there are advantages to nebulized steroids versus IV or oral steroids. The main reason is you minimize the undesirable effects of systemic administration. I'm very skeptical of the real benefit of colloidal silver, simply because it's not a proven therapy in studies. My understanding is the solution is quite dilute, so it probably doesn't do any harm. The question is does it actually have any demonstrable benefit? It might just be a hook to sell the nebulizer. I'd like to see a double blind study comparing colloidal silver in saline, versus saline alone. It would be very easy to carry out. As for the infection risks, judging from what I've observed with people injecting horses, many people are either just sloppy or they don't have a clue. People don't bother with alcohol, or hibiclens at the injection site. They inject different horses with the same needles, use poor aseptic technique......and then they blame the subsequent abscess on the drug or vaccine. You can use some basic precautions and safely use nebulizers.
Agree
Do human nubulizers have filtration systems? I would think they would want something like that to make sure there was no contamination in the hosing and machine itself. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 9:35 AM Bear - 2015-09-03 11:00 PM I think nebulizers can be very useful in horses with things like heaves or reactive airway disease. I think just nebulized humidified air alone can probably be helpful in clearing secretions. The nebulizers can be used to deliver medications for reactive airway disease, such as albuterol or ipratropium. Steroids can be nebulized as well, and there are advantages to nebulized steroids versus IV or oral steroids. The main reason is you minimize the undesirable effects of systemic administration. I'm very skeptical of the real benefit of colloidal silver, simply because it's not a proven therapy in studies. My understanding is the solution is quite dilute, so it probably doesn't do any harm. The question is does it actually have any demonstrable benefit? It might just be a hook to sell the nebulizer. I'd like to see a double blind study comparing colloidal silver in saline, versus saline alone. It would be very easy to carry out. As for the infection risks, judging from what I've observed with people injecting horses, many people are either just sloppy or they don't have a clue. People don't bother with alcohol, or hibiclens at the injection site. They inject different horses with the same needles, use poor aseptic technique......and then they blame the subsequent abscess on the drug or vaccine. You can use some basic precautions and safely use nebulizers. Agree
Do human nubulizers have filtration systems? I would think they would want something like that to make sure there was no contamination in the hosing and machine itself.
Yes, they do have filters. However, they are not shared from person to person. The company I work for manufacturers human respiratory equip. There's a reason why everything we sell has to go through a licensed distributor and is only sold to patients with a doctor's script. Part of it obviously FDA and licensing, the other part is that it's just not something the average Joe should be choosing to do.
As for the colloidal silver, I don't follow that either as it seems to be an unsubstantiated claim. Straight saline makes sense and/or steroid mixtures.
Under the recommendation of a vet, I would use one. But I would never use a treatment at a show that is treating other horses due to cross contamination potentials. |
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Location: Midwest | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 8:48 AM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 9:35 AM Bear - 2015-09-03 11:00 PM I think nebulizers can be very useful in horses with things like heaves or reactive airway disease. I think just nebulized humidified air alone can probably be helpful in clearing secretions. The nebulizers can be used to deliver medications for reactive airway disease, such as albuterol or ipratropium. Steroids can be nebulized as well, and there are advantages to nebulized steroids versus IV or oral steroids. The main reason is you minimize the undesirable effects of systemic administration. I'm very skeptical of the real benefit of colloidal silver, simply because it's not a proven therapy in studies. My understanding is the solution is quite dilute, so it probably doesn't do any harm. The question is does it actually have any demonstrable benefit? It might just be a hook to sell the nebulizer. I'd like to see a double blind study comparing colloidal silver in saline, versus saline alone. It would be very easy to carry out. As for the infection risks, judging from what I've observed with people injecting horses, many people are either just sloppy or they don't have a clue. People don't bother with alcohol, or hibiclens at the injection site. They inject different horses with the same needles, use poor aseptic technique......and then they blame the subsequent abscess on the drug or vaccine. You can use some basic precautions and safely use nebulizers. Agree
Do human nubulizers have filtration systems? I would think they would want something like that to make sure there was no contamination in the hosing and machine itself.
As for the colloidal silver, I don't follow that either as it seems to be an unsubstantiated claim. Straight saline makes sense and/or steroid mixtures.
Under the recommendation of a vet, I would use one. But I would never use a treatment at a show that is treating other horses due to cross contamination potentials.
I agree
The unit referenced in this thread does not have a microbial filter and the unit itself is a garden variety air compressor. I can see the merit of using a similar, sanitary machine to give steriod or even humidity treatments, but silver?
However, that's not even my main concern. If you want to use alternative therapies, I don't care... I just see these "treatments" at a show as a potential hot spot to spread equine disease at an event even further than horse to horse contact via normal routes of infection.
Ex. horse A is sick. He is stabled in barn A. He is treated.
Horse B follows horse A paying for a treatment. He catches the disease from horse A. He then spreads the disease to all of his surrounding neighbors in barn B, that otherwise would not have come into close contact with the sick horse.... and so on. |
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| I understand where you are coming from when talking about the profit margin.
You should check into Silver Horse Care. Serves the same purpose, which is giving a breathing treatment. However, the silver used is different. It is Colloidal Silver.
But perhaps the greatest significance about this company is it was created with the customer in mind, meaning the entire kit is $450. Which includes many more products, such as 2 bottles of the silver, 4 medicine cups and tubing, a disinfectant, a topical foam called SilverSoft, of course the air compressor, and the mask, a nasal spray bottle, and a human mask to treat yourself.
www.SilverHorseCare.com
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I've attached a file about Colloidal Silver, which is the type that is used with the Silver Horse Care Respiratory Kit.
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 Colloidal Silver Info Sheet FINAL 07.15.15.docx (32KB - 205 downloads)
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061 |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The nebulizers we use in hospitals don't have filters, because everything is disposable. Like someone suggested, home nebulizers have filters, I think.
The disposable nebulizers here basically consist of a reservoir and tubing, and the cost to the hospital is 58 CENTS. Hospitals use the existing oxygen delivery systems, so no air compressor is needed. If you buy a home nebulizer at a drug store, it costs about $50-60, or less, and that includes the little air compressor itself.
I would be concerned about buying a nebulizer treatment at a show, for the reasons Alison stated.
I'm pretty sure a person can put together a nebulizer for horses for pocket change, compared to these contraptions, but I haven't seriously considered it. It's not rocket science. The idea is to aerosolize saline/medication by blowing air through it, basically creating a mist. You ought to be able to fashion a mask to place over the horse's muzzle with a plastic gallon milk carton. In fact that's what some people do.
Albuterol itself isn't very expensive.
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This is a very good, well written, easily understood explanation of the silver quackery.
Take anything exotic sounding, and insert baseless "facts" purporting to support how it "boosts" the immune system.....people go batsh!t crazy and line up to buy it from the quack. Nowhere is this more prevalent than amongst horse people. It can be very tempting to succumb to the temptations. Quacks are artful salesmen and mythologists. |
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Location: Midwest | Bear - 2015-09-04 10:54 AM The nebulizers we use in hospitals don't have filters, because everything is disposable. Like someone suggested, home nebulizers have filters, I think. The disposable nebulizers here basically consist of a reservoir and tubing, and the cost to the hospital is 58 CENTS. Hospitals use the existing oxygen delivery systems, so no air compressor is needed. If you buy a home nebulizer at a drug store, it costs about $50-60, or less, and that includes the little air compressor itself. I would be concerned about buying a nebulizer treatment at a show, for the reasons Alison stated. I'm pretty sure a person can put together a nebulizer for horses for pocket change, compared to these contraptions, but I haven't seriously considered it. It's not rocket science. The idea is to aerosolize saline/medication by blowing air through it, basically creating a mist. You ought to be able to fashion a mask to place over the horse's muzzle with a plastic gallon milk carton. In fact that's what some people do. Albuterol itself isn't very expensive. Again, my question with regard to the colloidal silver is, how do we know it is no more effective than just nebulizing saline alone? Can anyone answer that? One of my concerns with this product is that it is not a closed air compressor... it is a hardware style air compressor that likely is manufactured without the intention to be used on live animals. Most air compressors are used as a tool for painting, power washing, etc.
This appears to be the exact unit in the Equi-Resp pro kit: http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/sptcaico1.html
How could one ensure they were not blowing barn dust or contagions into the mask? It seems to be open to the air. Dust or bacteria could settle inside this machine and grow if it were say, sitting in a barn. I also don't see a good way to be able to disinfect this machine.
This is the picture of the Equi-Resp "Pro kit"
Hopefully the pictures help to explain my concerns. ETA- that this is not a "closed" system.
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Location: Midwest | Bear - 2015-09-04 11:06 AM This is a very good, well written, easily understood explanation of the silver quackery. Take anything exotic sounding, and insert baseless "facts" purporting to support how it "boosts" the immune system.....people go batsh!t crazy and line up to buy it from the quack. Nowhere is this more prevalent than amongst horse people. It can be very tempting to succumb to the temptations. Quacks are artful salesmen and mythologists.
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Here are a couple articles that may clarify any questions you have.
http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Silver_as_an_Antimicrobial_...
http://www.silverhealthinstitute.com/dr-gordon-pedersen-new-alkalin... |
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With nearly every venue of horse racing/showing limiting the drugs you're permitted to treat with, Nebulizing with Colloidal Silver has proven to me, to be a safe and effective alternative. It's not a "Cure All" and doesn't claim to be, but has certainly proven to be effective in promoting lung health, even when antibiotics have failed.
I use the Silver Horse Care and have had great results. I did however, purchase extra masks for the sake of treating several horses. I'm not saying this is the answer to every respiratory condition, but it certainly merits consideration. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | My palomino mare would look cool with blue silver highlights. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 12:19 PM Bear - 2015-09-04 10:54 AM The nebulizers we use in hospitals don't have filters, because everything is disposable. Like someone suggested, home nebulizers have filters, I think. The disposable nebulizers here basically consist of a reservoir and tubing, and the cost to the hospital is 58 CENTS. Hospitals use the existing oxygen delivery systems, so no air compressor is needed. If you buy a home nebulizer at a drug store, it costs about $50-60, or less, and that includes the little air compressor itself. I would be concerned about buying a nebulizer treatment at a show, for the reasons Alison stated. I'm pretty sure a person can put together a nebulizer for horses for pocket change, compared to these contraptions, but I haven't seriously considered it. It's not rocket science. The idea is to aerosolize saline/medication by blowing air through it, basically creating a mist. You ought to be able to fashion a mask to place over the horse's muzzle with a plastic gallon milk carton. In fact that's what some people do. Albuterol itself isn't very expensive. Again, my question with regard to the colloidal silver is, how do we know it is no more effective than just nebulizing saline alone? Can anyone answer that? One of my concerns with this product is that it is not a closed air compressor... it is a hardware style air compressor that likely is manufactured without the intention to be used on live animals. Most air compressors are used as a tool for painting, power washing, etc.
This appears to be the exact unit in the Equi-Resp pro kit: http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/sptcaico1.html
How could one ensure they were not blowing barn dust or contagions into the mask? It seems to be open to the air. Dust or bacteria could settle inside this machine and grow if it were say, sitting in a barn. I also don't see a good way to be able to disinfect this machine.
This is the picture of the Equi-Resp "Pro kit"
Hopefully the pictures help to explain my concerns. ETA- that this is not a "closed" system.
I think you'd need to use an oxygen concentrator to limit exposure to dust and outside particles. This is just compressed air, but with that thought, the horse would already be inhaling those particles although I'm not sure what kind of psi this thing would be pushing air into the horse, I would imagine it's simply a soft mist? I don't have a medical or engineering background though so take my comments with a grain of salt as I'm not involved in the design of our human resp. products.
Regardless, I still wouldn't want to do it at a show as I would assume (maybe I'm wrong?) that they are sharing a neb mask. That's the part that would concern me. If the masks are disposable then I likely wouldn't be as concerned.
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Location: Midwest | The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building).
Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask?
That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards. |
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| When someone is talking about a disposable mask they are more than likely referring to the Silver Horse Care mask as it is $45. Equiresp masks are $250. |
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| Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 1:43 PM
barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building).
Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask? That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards.
There is a disposable mask by Silver Horse Care. They worked with veterinarians before manufacturing and by vet request, a disposable mask is much more sanitary and easier to clean as there is no bacteria trap across the top of the mask. It is all one simple plastic material with straps. Also, one could afford 5 masks from them (one for each horse to keep from cross contaminating) as opposed to one $250 from Equiresp. The only point of the mask is to channel the air flow, so it would be ignorant to pay $250 to do so. |
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Location: Midwest | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 1:43 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask?
That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards.
I didn't post it. It is included in the kit- but that is the price of purchasing a single mask as an accessory. http://www.equiresp.com/shop/accessories/mask/ |
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Location: NE Texas | Everyone who has a horse with breathing issues would be better off to try and treat the source of the inflammatory response to eliminate the product of the mucous, phlegm, and respiratory (and other inflammatory) responses. It can be done, I have been able to do this with my horse when 4 vets couldn't figure out which direction to go, one of which advised me to put him down. He had been treated with a nebulizer while out of my care. Worst case of respiratory distress i've ever seen. He also exceeded the maximum dosage of ventipulmin and dex with no improvement during this time as well. Sick, sick horse who vets had no clue how to treat. Much thanks to Dr. Schell at Nouvelle Research and the Cur-OST product, I had a horse who was once written a death certificate who is now back and running. After spending years band-aiding these issues and spending literally thousands at the vet from November to March this past winter, I finally have a healthy horse and have treated the source, not to mention eliminated ulcers, both fore and hind gut, eliminated all other supplements, and am no longer having to feed large portions of grain to keep weight on him. Cur-OST and Dr. Schell have been a miracle for my horse and is now a vital part of my program. This is truly the best thing I have ever done for my program, and I would encourage everyone who has a horse with ANY inflammatory issue from chronic lamenesses, to respiratory issues, to GI issues, etc to contact Dr. Schell and explore these options....there IS a better way! I consult with Dr. Schell on issues prior to consulting my local performance horse vets who've treated my horses for years. I'll attach pictures of my horse. First pic is March 24th and the second pic is April 25th.
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| So what are the differences between the Equi-Resp or Silver Horse Care (One I'm going to buy) and say this one from Big Dee's? (leading supplier for harness racing and racing in general)
http://www.bigdweb.com/Nebulizer-Unit-Complete/productinfo/9978/
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Location: ARKANSAS | The little air compressor someone posted earlier that the airbrush companies sells IS the same air compressor they use, they just take the little regulator off the end of and replace the regulator with an end that the tube will fit over.This end can be purchased at any parts store for just a few dollars. The Little air compressor ia 75.00. YES We have bought the high priced one first!! one for the horses, and my husband uses one for his ashtma and other breathing problems....it has REALLY HELPED both!!! My husband swaps out the solution sometimes with just use a sterile saline solution, then will go back to the collidial silver. same with the horses...this treatment has helped them both!!! Yes Cleaning the Equip is vital!!! The one my husband uses stays in our house...the one the horses uses stays in the sealed box it came in after it is cleaned and put away for next time. the breathing are also easy to clean.Simply put them in a white vinegar and water solution and let them soak and rinse thouroughly!!!! |
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| Herbie - 2015-09-04 12:40 PM
Everyone who has a horse with breathing issues would be better off to try and treat the source of the inflammatory response to eliminate the product of the mucous, phlegm, and respiratory (and other inflammatory) responses. It can be done, I have been able to do this with my horse when 4 vets couldn't figure out which direction to go, one of which advised me to put him down. He had been treated with a nebulizer while out of my care. Worst case of respiratory distress i've ever seen. He also exceeded the maximum dosage of ventipulmin and dex with no improvement during this time as well. Sick, sick horse who vets had no clue how to treat. Much thanks to Dr. Schell at Nouvelle Research and the Cur-OST product, I had a horse who was once written a death certificate who is now back and running. After spending years band-aiding these issues and spending literally thousands at the vet from November to March this past winter, I finally have a healthy horse and have treated the source, not to mention eliminated ulcers, both fore and hind gut, eliminated all other supplements, and am no longer having to feed large portions of grain to keep weight on him. Cur-OST and Dr. Schell have been a miracle for my horse and is now a vital part of my program. This is truly the best thing I have ever done for my program, and I would encourage everyone who has a horse with ANY inflammatory issue from chronic lamenesses, to respiratory issues, to GI issues, etc to contact Dr. Schell and explore these options....there IS a better way! I consult with Dr. Schell on issues prior to consulting my local performance horse vets who've treated my horses for years. I'll attach pictures of my horse. First pic is March 24th and the second pic is April 25th.
I 100000% agree here. Why not treat the reason your horse needs the nebulizer in the first place! There has to be a reason the horse can't breathe to begin with. I battled COPD and heaves in my horse for years. He would cough the entire time we rode and after runs. He was on previcox daily for inflammation control and vrntipulman when he ran. He has been on curost total support for about 45 days now but was cough free and clocking after 2 weeks on curost. |
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| Therein lies the problem....Your horse would be ineligible to Compete at AQHA Shows or Run at Major Race Tracks because of those drugs. The Silver Treatments offer a Safe and Effective means for promoting Lung Health in horses. It doesn't claim to be the "Cure All" treatment, but when races are being decided by .001, making the difference between thousands of dollars, Nebulizing with Colloidal Silver is an viable alternative to consider. I'm having great results \ at Los Alamitos Race Track using Silver Horse Care!
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| OK. So I just calculated all of the necessary supplies (I will include a list) and also have shipping and tax calculated along with a compressor and it comes out to $383.47 in total! That is with a mix of Equi-Resp products and Silver Horse Care products. My personal opinion is that the Silver horse care is VERY reasonable priced because as a company, they need to make a profit margin and I'm ok with that. The Pro Model for Equi-Resp is a little ridiculous though. Here goes:
-$10 for 2 Medicine cups and 7" tubing. (Equi-resp store)
-$5 for Air filters (Equi-Resp store)
-$23.36 for 4 tubes of 14" Tubing (SHC Store)
-$1.85 for Syringe (SHC Store)
-$45 for Horse mask (SHC Store)
-$18 Human mask and tubing (SHC Store)
-$10 Disinfectant (Equi-Resp Store)
-$28 for 1 bottle of Silver (Equi-Resp store)
-$229.95 for TC-2000 Airbrush Compressor (Chicago Airbrush Supply Store)
For a grand total of $383.47 and that's with shipping from both stores and tax. Not bad! I'll also need to replace the regulator to fit the compressor and the mask but that will probably only be a couple of bucks at the hardware store. I picked these items because its what I want for my horse and I also wanted a mask but you guys can add or take away whatever you would like! Anyone see any mistakes I made product wise or tips? |
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Location: Southern Indiana | barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:05 PM Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2015-09-04 1:43 PM barrelracr131 - 2015-09-04 2:21 PM The masks are $250.00 so I don't believe they are disposable.
My concern would be regarding blowing most or dust that has become concentrated in an air compressor. Mold and bacteria can survive and even grown in places you wouldn't neccesarily think of. If a stressed horse were to breathe in enough of either, it has the potential to cause problems.
I am not an engineer, but I so have some experience with sterile technique and environmental testing (ie testing for surface contaminants in a building). Wow - okay I missed that price of that if it was posted earlier, profit margin much? I realize it's not exactly the same size and design of the human masks...but I do know what the human ones cost to manufacture..so again, wow! Maybe they should consider a disposable mask?
That's a good point if mold or dust has become overly concentrated on the compressor or tubing or mask. And definitely a barn/show atmoshpere has more contaminants than a home use neb or hospital use in that regards.
A clean milk carton with the bottom cut off is a cheap way to have a "disposable" mask. When silver horse first came out, this is what they used. Their mask didn't actually come out until about February. |
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| Plus you could always buy one from Silver Horse care or Dig Dees for cheaper |
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